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McCovey
10-03-2008, 04:29 PM
Yes, they are playing the WBC again in 2009! So who should be on Team USA?


Strong Team USA would help Classic
03/23/2008 9:00 PM ET
By Mike Bauman

Not to go all nationalistic or anything, but what might be good for World Baseball Classic II would be the team from the United States of America actually winning more games than it loses.

Is this seemingly chauvinistic sentiment in violation of the entire spirit of the event? No, it is not. As the official announcement of the 2009 version of the World Baseball Classic is made in Japan on Sunday, here are two reasons why at least a modicum of success on the part of Team USA would be all right.

The inaugural Classic in 2006 did a splendid job of demonstrating just exactly how global baseball's reach had become. If you looked at the tournament's equivalent of the Final Four, what you saw was a perfect replica of the way the game had changed, represented by the tremendous influx of talent from Latin America, and more recently, the Far East.
The four surviving squads were Japan, Korea, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. What you saw from these teams was terrific baseball, aggressive baseball, exciting baseball, precise baseball, intelligent baseball. The Asian teams were particularly adept at what we like to call "small ball" -- the subtleties of the game, moving runners, fully grasping and consistently executing the fundamentals.

Even some of those in the American media who had been the harshest critics of the Classic concept before the tournament took place were forced to admit that this event was completely worthwhile. What they were saying in essence was that Latin American and Far Eastern baseball was completely worthwhile, because the U.S. team was not actually all that impressive.

Japan won the Classic, featuring the worldwide unveiling of Daisuke Matsuzaka as the tournament's Most Valuable Player. However, the team with the Classic's best record was Korea, at 6-1, while the Japanese were 5-3. Korea's only loss came in the semifinals to Japan.

The strong showing of the Dominican team came as no surprise to anyone who had noticed how many players from that nation had become nothing less than stars in the U.S. The second-place finish of a very worthy Cuban team was a triumph of baseball over politics, after the initial reluctance of some elements of the U.S. government to allow the Cubans to participate.

For the 2009 Classic, the format has been changed, and with any luck will be less confounding to both the participants and the observers. Last time, there was round-robin play in the pools, with advancement sometimes decided by a fairly complex set of tiebreakers. The spectacle of a large group of sportswriters attempting to do the math involved was not one of the highlights of the event.

This time, the format appears simpler -- double elimination in pool play, any team losing twice is out. This should be cleaner, more generally understandable and easier overall on the worldwide baseball public.

The international flavor has been underscored for the 2009 event by the choices of sites for first-round play. Tokyo, Mexico City, Toronto and San Juan, Puerto Rico, will host the first round, and you do not need a master's in cultural geography to note that all of these are outside the 50 United States. However, those who still insist on referring to San Juan as an international site must be at least gently reminded that Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory.

In any case, everything is in place for another compelling display of baseball's global span. You have seen the impressive play of Latin American and Asian nations and you expect and happily anticipate nothing less from these teams in the second Classic.

So, what would lift the level of World Baseball Classic II? A better showing by the American team, that's what.

Team USA finished 3-3 in the first Classic. Its play, frankly, was not as fundamentally sound as that of the teams that finished above it. Its choice of pitchers, in a couple of cases, was no better than bewildering. It gave the appearance of being taken a bit by surprise by the level international baseball had reached.

In a way, the first Classic was a triumph of international baseball over American baseball. Given the fact that showcasing the global growth of the game was a major point of the whole event, at the time this may have been good for the game in general.

But the next time around, something more is going to be required from the American team if this event is to be taken to an even higher level. The U.S. will play in the Toronto first round at Rogers Centre, in a pool with Canada, Venezuela and Italy. There will be three teams with a legitimate chance to advance, and only two will, so the American team will not be able to ease its way into the tournament.

There should be no shortage of top-shelf American players who are eager to play for their country, particularly in light of what happened in the first tournament. If it is disrupting to Spring Training routines, this is a small price to pay for the honor and the privilege of representing the United States of America. In the first World Baseball Classic, the internationalization of baseball was vividly on display, with individual talent and collective effort put forth by teams from all over Planet Earth. If the second World Baseball Classic is going to take the level of global competition even higher, the team from baseball's first home is going to have to play better.


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Bear
10-03-2008, 04:40 PM
Well we know Big Tim wants no part of it. We will have to wait and see.:confused:

McCovey
10-03-2008, 04:51 PM
Well pitching wise we could have Peavy, Webb, Sabathia, Cain, Billingly, Harden, Oswalt, etc....Hitting-wise we got Fielder, Teixeira, A-Rod, Howard, Longoria, Chipper, Mauer, Berkman, Holliday, Braun, Lee, Predroia, Wright, Hamilton, Morneau...Team USA will be stacked.

Bear
10-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Well pitching wise we could have Peavy, Webb, Sabathia, Cain, Billingly, Harden, Oswalt, etc....Hitting-wise we got Fielder, Teixeira, A-Rod, Howard, Longoria, Chipper, Mauer, Berkman, Holliday, Braun, Lee, Predroia, Wright, Hamilton, Morneau...Team USA will be stacked.

Could does not mean will! Lets wait until the Team is named, and find out who is willing to play. :nono:

McCovey
03-07-2009, 04:17 PM
Team USA beat Team Canada in their WBC opener 6-5. I watched part of the game on TV. It definitely had a playoff atmosphere.

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/baseball/wbbc/recap?gameId=290307115&league=wbbc

McCovey
03-07-2009, 04:21 PM
And The Netherlands beat the Dominican Republic, 3-2, led by Sidney Ponson! :wtf: :wtf1::pound:All Giants fans should remember Sidney Ponson. :)

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/baseball/wbbc/recap?gameId=290307117&league=wbbc

TkleMstr52
03-08-2009, 12:55 AM
He makes Cain look like an ACE!! Ponson:smack:

McCovey
03-08-2009, 03:13 AM
He makes Cain look like an ACE!! Ponson:smack:
Maybe one day Sanchez might be as good as Ponson? Probably not. :pound:

TkleMstr52
03-08-2009, 09:17 PM
Maybe one day Sanchez might be as good as Ponson? Probably not. :pound:

And Cains win % will catch up to Ponsons .459, doubtful tho

Bear
03-08-2009, 09:22 PM
And Cains win % will catch up to Ponsons .459, doubtful tho
:pound::pound::pound:

McCovey
03-09-2009, 12:15 AM
And Cains win % will catch up to Ponsons .459, doubtful tho
Ponson career ERA 4.95
Sanchez career ERA 5.18 ;)

McCovey
03-09-2009, 12:37 AM
Team USA rolls over Venezuela, 15-6! Team USA looks very focused and prepared this time around.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/worldclassic2009/news/story?id=3963442

TkleMstr52
03-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Ponson career ERA 4.95
Sanchez career ERA 5.18 ;)

One solid season away!! :beerbang: :pound:

McCovey
03-10-2009, 07:31 PM
The Netherlands beat the Dominican Republic, 2-1! Holy cow! :rotf:
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/baseball/wbbc/boxscore?gameId=290310118&league=WBBC

The D.R. is now out of the WBC.

McCovey
03-10-2009, 07:33 PM
Hey, any of you guys watching the WBC? :shrug:

jandajuice
03-10-2009, 09:12 PM
yep im watchin WBC

Bear
03-10-2009, 10:16 PM
Hey, any of you guys watching the WBC? :shrug:

Yes I have watched a few games and the Dominican Republic showed everyone why you never should overlook another team. They went into both games and thought they would win just by showing up. Bye, bye DR. :wavey:

McCovey
03-10-2009, 10:53 PM
Yes I have watched a few games and the Dominican Republic showed everyone why you never should overlook another team. They went into both games and thought they would win just by showing up. Bye, bye DR. :wavey:
Two losses to the Netherlands has to be embarrassing. I've read the fans down in the Dominican Republic are pissed off big time.

Bear
03-11-2009, 08:38 AM
Two losses to the Netherlands has to be embarrassing. I've read the fans down in the Dominican Republic are pissed off big time.

And they should be. There is no way their team should have lost twice to the Netherlands.:nono:

McCovey
03-11-2009, 01:46 PM
Hey, the Giants are playing the WBC Japanese team today. I guess there is some time before the next round of the WBC. Lincecum is pitching against them. Sorry, Japan. :D

TkleMstr52
03-11-2009, 10:07 PM
Sanchez numbers in the WBC?

Bear
03-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Sanchez numbers in the WBC?

1-0 with a 0.00 ERA, 4 INN, 2H, 4 SO, 1 BB, 0.75 WHIP

#25
03-12-2009, 05:58 PM
Who cares about the WBC? It's plain to see that the players from MLB don't!

SF Kid
03-12-2009, 07:03 PM
Who cares about the WBC? It's plain to see that the players from MLB don't!Pretty much on the money there #25.

McCovey
03-12-2009, 08:04 PM
We must be watching a different WBC? I've been glued to the TV watching the WBC. The second Dominican Republic vs Netherlands game had a playoff atmosphere. The Canada vs USA game was also tense and a nail biter..

Bear
03-12-2009, 08:07 PM
I have enjoyed the WBC. In many ways it is more interesting than ST or even the MLB playoffs. Every game means something like the WS.

McCovey
03-12-2009, 08:22 PM
I have enjoyed the WBC. In many ways it is more interesting than ST or even the MLB playoffs. Every game means something like the WS.
:beerbang: :toast:

I like how the fans from different nations bring the intense passion for the games and their respective teams. Plus watching the Netherlands defeat the Domincan Republic twice in nail biters was a joy to watch.

TkleMstr52
03-12-2009, 10:47 PM
1-0 with a 0.00 ERA, 4 INN, 2H, 4 SO, 1 BB, 0.75 WHIP

This is my main reason for being interested!! Who was that against Bear? And Thank you! Its a big pride thing man, I want the U.S. to have this title after this year!!

TkleMstr52
03-12-2009, 10:49 PM
:beerbang: :toast:

I like how the fans from different nations bring the intense passion for the games and their respective teams. Plus watching the Netherlands defeat the Domincan Republic twice in nail biters was a joy to watch.

I wasnt able to record and watch since my machine is now on the fritz!! But what a great story!!

McCovey
03-15-2009, 02:21 AM
Wow, Team USA nd the game was got emarrassed, losing 11-1 with the game being called after seven innings because of the mercy rule. :eek: :bugeye:

Bear
03-15-2009, 08:12 AM
Wow, Team USA nd the game was got emarrassed, losing 11-1 with the game being called after seven innings because of the mercy rule. :eek: :bugeye:

You can't tell me these guys really care. The WBC is pure BS!:eek:

TkleMstr52
03-15-2009, 01:01 PM
It doesnt seem like they give a $#i+, thats embarassing!!!

McCovey
03-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Since when does losing badly equate to not caring? :shrug:

Bear
03-15-2009, 04:15 PM
Since when does losing badly equate to not caring? :shrug:


When it happens over and over again. Like Cain losing over and over again.:pound:

TkleMstr52
03-15-2009, 11:24 PM
Here is where we disagree Bear, I think he cares, he just puts too much pressure on himself to live up to the next great one billing and fails. He can be Great and even win 15-20 games if he lets the pressure off.

McCovey
03-17-2009, 09:46 PM
Holy cow! Team USA rallies for three runs in the 9th to beat Pueto Rico 6-5. That was a crazy, exciting, intense game! It felt like a World Series game for sure. Team USA moves on the the semi-finals at Dodger Stadium. :awesomework.gif

SF Kid
03-18-2009, 07:46 AM
Dodger Stadium? That place is cool but it's old. It kinda needs a fire! :D

McCovey
03-18-2009, 08:51 AM
Dodger Stadium? That place is cool but it's old. It kinda needs a fire! :D
I've only been to two games at Dodger Stadium in my life and both times I saw no-hitters. What are the odds of that? :shrug:

Bear
03-18-2009, 10:20 AM
I've only been to two games at Dodger Stadium in my life and both times I saw no-hitters. What are the odds of that? :shrug:

Who were the pitchers?:cool:

RrCoX22
03-18-2009, 12:07 PM
that game was intense last night... i was following it until i looked away and didn't think they had a chance in the bottom of the 9th... then hear this morning that they're moving on to the next round :beerbang:

McCovey
03-18-2009, 12:11 PM
Who were the pitchers?:cool:

August 1992: LA's Kevin Gross no-hit the Giants :(

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN199208170.shtml

April 1994: Braves Kent Merker no-hit the Dodgers :beerbang:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN199404080.shtml


I almost saw a third no-hitter. I was at a Giants/Dodgers' game in 1995 where Hideo Nomo threw a one-hitter. The only hit for the Giants was an infield single by Royce Clayton in the 7th inning.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN199508050.shtml

SF Kid
03-18-2009, 04:05 PM
I've only been to two games at Dodger Stadium in my life and both times I saw no-hitters. What are the odds of that? :shrug:Amazing. With that kind of luck I hope you buy Lotto tickets every week Mc.

I've been to a bunch of games at Dodger Stadium. Maybe 15 total. The last time was about 5 years ago (I think) and we went to see the Giants series. I remember thinking how cool the place was but in this day and age of state of the art ball parks like AT&T and Safeco Field Dodger Stadium looked tired. It was fun though. Giants lost 2 out of 3. :mad:

Bear
03-18-2009, 04:28 PM
Amazing. With that kind of luck I hope you buy Lotto tickets every week Mc.

I've been to a bunch of games at Dodger Stadium. Maybe 15 total. The last time was about 5 years ago (I think) and we went to see the Giants series. I remember thinking how cool the place was but in this day and age of state of the art ball parks like AT&T and Safeco Field Dodger Stadium looked tired. It was fun though. Giants lost 2 out of 3. :mad:

It would have looked better if the Giants had won!;)

But I know what you mean. However in this day and age we may have seen our last new park for some time to come. I think 5 to 10 years.:o

SF Kid
03-18-2009, 05:20 PM
Good point Bear. The pressure not to do it will be huge unless somebody wants to foot the entire bill with no public money involved.

Look what Dallas did. A $1.2 Billion Stadium. I don't think, but am not sure, that there is any public money involved. I could be wrong though. Anybody know?

Bear
03-18-2009, 07:38 PM
Good point Bear. The pressure not to do it will be huge unless somebody wants to foot the entire bill with no public money involved.

Look what Dallas did. A $1.2 Billion Stadium. I don't think, but am not sure, that there is any public money involved. I could be wrong though. Anybody know?

Even if there is public funds it would have started before the money world came down around our ears.

McCovey
03-22-2009, 02:03 AM
Wow, Korea blew out Venezuela, 10-2. Venezuela played some awful defense and had five errors. The Koreans play some crisp defense. It's obvious they are well coached. Next is the other semifinal game USA vs Japan.

TkleMstr52
03-22-2009, 10:12 PM
I dont like Japan, all new team for the US next time.

McCovey
03-22-2009, 11:14 PM
I dont like Japan, all new team for the US next time.
Japan beats Team UDA, 9-4 to advance to the WBC championship game. L.A. has huge Japanese and Korean populations. This game is going to be huge!

TkleMstr52
03-23-2009, 10:25 AM
I hate repeats, lets go Korea!!

McCovey
03-23-2009, 11:19 AM
I hate repeats, lets go Korea!!
My wife is Korean so I HAVE TO cheer for Korea. :o

TkleMstr52
03-23-2009, 10:41 PM
Last I saw it was tied, they were headed to the tenth!!

McCovey
03-24-2009, 09:45 AM
Ichiro hits a 2-run single in the top of the 10th inning to give Japan the 5-3 win. Ichiro went 4-4 in the game. This was a great game, championship baseball at its finest. These kind of games will only enhance the WBC. I'm looking forward to 2013 already. :awesomework.gif